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Show Profile  Michael Posted: 14 September 2018, 6:21 AM  
OCAD has moved to a subscription model, and is offering a discount for version 11 or 12 upgrades by the end of October. With limits on how far back it can save (guess why!) Over the next month users and clubs should consider their options.

One option is to consider the free Open Orienteering Mapper, but up until recently I have had doubts that converting files both ways would be robust - we have so much invested in OCAD files, and OCAD is a long way ahead in advanced facilities. (OOM acknowledges loss of geo-referencing information.)

However I have redone my basic test on OOM 0.8.2 - taking an OCAD file into OOM, checking it against a geo-referenced photo and a GPX file - and taking it back to OCAD again. With the limitation that going back saves as OCAD v8, things stayed in sync. You need to understand the two components of the angle, and there are lots of warnings about symbol translations both ways, but my major worry has gone. There is a version round the corner which will save as OCAD 8-12.

A fuller message is in preparation, so I would welcome any other experiences with file transfer to/from OOM.

Show Profile  Bryan Posted: 17 September 2018, 8:22 AM  
At the moment converting from OOM to Ocad and vice-versa is a pain. Nice to have a procedure of what to do and warnings/gotchas. My experience so far is that symbol sets are changed and it's quite tedious to have a mapper work on an Ocad extract and use OOM, then give you an Ocad export (where symbols have changed) and then you have to post back the changes to the Ocad master City map - several hours work just for a small extract. Add in the fact that contours have been changed and you have to edge match the borders of the extract and its a bit of a nightmare.

Also lots of warning converting from Ocad 2018 back to Ocad 9 or Ocad 8 - I'm worried that features are being changed (eg virtual gaps) as the earlier version does not handle it.

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 17 September 2018, 8:35 AM  
I have drafted a guide to the OCAD 12 Symbol Conversion Tool It revealed some frustrating fish-hooks (or quite possibly some blind spots in my thinking:-))) Take a look at the top item on Comments welcome from those who have done ISOM2017 conversions.

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 17 September 2018, 10:47 AM  
Thanks Bryan, you're brave if you're grappling with all these issues in one hit! I'm cautious about using new facilities like virtual gaps, knowing they are going to be lost on a save-back. But merging an edited part of a map back into the master it came from is hard enough, let alone dealing with symbol differences and another software's different ways of doing things. Have you got any hair left?

Show Profile  Bryan Posted: 19 September 2018, 8:27 AM  
Barely. Actually, I had to deal with virtual gaps as they were introduced to maps which I've had to extend by two different mappers. I have since started to use them as they are useful to see where the contours went - things like brown X's and brown banks can be removed when trees are felled or features disappear.

Show Profile  mcroxford Posted: 28 September 2018, 5:29 AM  
The 18th International Conference on Orienteering Mapping is happening on Friday 5th October in the Czech Republic. I note in the agenda that:

"We have a plan to make live video broadcast from ICOM conference to Orienteering Mappers Int. group on Facebook. In case of any questions related to conference feel free to contact ICOM responsible: Luděk Krtička, zaves (AT) email (DOT) cz."

With the time difference between us being 11 hours after daylight savings then I think the feed should start at 7.30pm Friday for us. Programme available from IOF website.

Show Profile  1exa Posted: 17 October 2018, 9:04 AM  
I'm a member of Orienteering Federation of Belarus. I have a experience of orienteering from a young age. I found specialization in Belarus for a rogaining events with maps of large area.
Short list of my jobs
I'm a seeking more practice for a map making.

Now I'm on the way to Thailand for orienteering. I want to help them to organize events and make a mapping work at October and November 2018.
About one month ago I have about one day of mapping of two locations in Georgia.
My last job in Belarus is organizing event Rogaining Cup 08.07.2018 Work of Merging 2 ancient maps and a fine job as a course designer. Here is Route Gadget

It will be my honor to create maps for orienteering and rogaining for You.
I will be grateful if you tell anyone who needs map making

Nice orienteering regards, Aliaksei.

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 28 October 2018, 7:41 AM  
Summary material from the 18th Conference on Orienteering Mapping is on the IOF website at
There's a good variety of content, take care to distinguish here-and-now facts from opinions/proposals. Michael C, if you followed the conference live you may be able to chime in with additional comment.

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 30 October 2018, 2:20 AM  
The Orienteering Mappers Int. Facebook page has video of the presentations. In general the speakers don't add much to their slides as on the IOF website, link above. However the presentation by Christer Carlsson the current convenor of the Mapping Commission amply repaid my time. Ostensibly about the colour appendix, Carlsson adds a lot of additional comment which shows a breath of fresh air at the MC. Look for his comment about scales for example. Find the videos at and Carlsson is the last speaker on the one that lasts 1:28:43. His session starts 36min in.

Show Profile  mcroxford Posted: 30 October 2018, 5:21 AM  
Time to start lobbying your local Council.

Show Profile  mcroxford Posted: 31 October 2018, 10:35 AM  
From LINZ via Steve Pyatt.

The formal announcement can be viewed at:

"LINZ are anticipating significant regional participation in this programme (a programme requirement), which will kick off in 2019. Even so, there will likely be gaps that we’ll be looking for partnerships to help fill.

Also, an all-of-Gisborne lidar project is about to get underway, and the delayed Northland project data capture should begin in earnest this month."

I suggest that club's contact your local Council to discuss whether they have any proposals and if they do then whether they cover any areas of interest for you.

Show Profile  fraser Posted: 27 November 2018, 6:15 AM  
A few changes to ISOM 2017:

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 4 December 2018, 11:16 AM  
Thanks Fraser. A quick look suggests that there aren't any structural changes so if your map is on ISOM2018 you could sweep in the new symbols. The latest OCAD 2018 update seems to have given us the changes. The difficulty as always is keeping all your individual variations (fence to switch off, etc etc.) Ask if you want an OCAD 12, 11 etc version of these symbols.

Show Profile  mcroxford Posted: 6 December 2018, 12:11 PM  
Perhaps we should all move to Sweden as we age?

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 9 December 2018, 9:30 AM  
I think that NZ controllers have largely moved to larger scales for older eyes already (with the TC turning a blind eye...)

With the frequent exception of sprints. Where legibility (eg tiny gaps) is more important than in the forest. Sweden has mandated 1:3000 for ages 45+ (133% enlargement over the usual) and I'd argue for 150%

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