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Code of Behaviour and Party.

Show Profile  nick Posted: 22 December 2008, 3:51 PM  
nah that one gets slapped on kids all the time, bro. for real.

but anyway... its a poor arse-cover that won't stay on when the boot hits it.

so, you're saying theres some kind of scandal, the policy is intended to shovel responsibility away from the nzof door if another scandal should ever erupt? hmmm... sounds a little thin. there must be more to it?

Show Profile  thomasr Posted: 23 December 2008, 2:09 AM  
helen clark is getting a post in nzof since the whole UN envoy thing fell through. This is the start of her pc regulation.

Show Profile  Tane Cambridge Posted: 23 December 2008, 2:33 AM  
Basically, if there is some scandal who's door do you think they will come knocking on? And they will be able to say "Well, we have this policy here so we took reasonable measures to prevent it."

Maybe there is more to it...maybe you have more faith in administrators than me....I dunno...Im just a skeptic I suppose....

Show Profile  Dave Barr Posted: 23 December 2008, 2:57 AM  
It's disappointing that the NZOF thinks that top orienteers can't take responsibility for their own actions.

That's right. I'm not angry, just disappointed.

Show Profile  nick Posted: 24 December 2008, 9:35 AM  
Sorry Tane bro. I didn't mean to suggest your scepticism was "a little thin". I meant to say that *if* there has been a scandal, I'd have thought NZOF would do more than just quietly create a policy... ...and I was fishing to see if more *had* been done. But, no bites.

I'll just assume there was never a scandal and NZOF have merely had a bad idea.

Show Profile  stu barr Posted: 24 December 2008, 4:49 PM  
it was me. i stole beer as an M16. and now look at me...
still looking at an orienteering forum at 11.45 xmas eve while drinking home made wine.

meeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy xmas

hey, by the way, chill out.

Show Profile  Dave Barr Posted: 24 December 2008, 4:51 PM  
you want a fight cunt?

Show Profile  stu barr Posted: 24 December 2008, 4:51 PM  
sorry, drinking hoime made wine with dave

Show Profile  runningbeast Posted: 24 December 2008, 4:53 PM  
sorry I coached those Barr's everything they know!

Show Profile  Dave Barr Posted: 24 December 2008, 4:55 PM  

Show Profile  Ant Barr Posted: 24 December 2008, 5:02 PM  
It was the future thought of the non-drinking policy that made Kristian and I give up orienteering years ago.

(dictated but not read)

PS. I fly planes!!! VROOM!!!

Show Profile  rossmnfg Posted: 26 December 2008, 5:58 PM  
Training camps are a rare opportunity for NZ Oers, why not just use them to train instead of party??? There's plenty of National level competitions throughout the year to 'get your freak on'. If people are only motivated to go to a training camp for the party, then they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Show Profile  Claire Paterson Posted: 27 December 2008, 9:03 AM  
Ross - There is a difference between being not even allowed a beer after a hard day of training, and having a party! At the moment neither is allowed. And anyway, at the camps I attended, it was not a week/weekend of partying, it was a hard week of training with the last night before we headed home being a night to socialise, which could involve having a drink and a laugh together. In NZ, with so few big events, we often don't see each other much anyway, so it is good to have a social time at the end of the camps.

However, I completely agree with no alcohol on Junior Camps - but the law stipulates this anyway (under-age etc etc). And if you are talking about coaches on Junior Camps, I still believe we should set a no alcohol example.

When it comes to D-squad camps, I also believe that if there are any under-age people present, then the same (no-alcohol) rules should apply. If you have some drinking and others not, it can create an uncomfortable and pressured environment. That is actually sometimes the cool thing about orienteering - how large age gaps seem to dissapear and everyone socialises together... It is difficult though, when the majority of D-squad might be over-age and used to having a beer or two...

Any kind of mature camp, National Squad and Vets etc, then it should be up to the individuals to decide. At a National squad camp you would expect most to be serious athletes who don't drink much, but this does not really seem to be the case in orienteering from my experience...

I agree with whoever said something along the lines of "common sense and the NZ law is all we need, not a strict policy dictating..." I also fully agree with the comment that the scandels should be public knowledge so that those involved dont end up in positions of responsibility and influence just 1 or 2 years later, when the few who knew have moved on or forgotten...

Show Profile  valerie Posted: 10 January 2009, 2:43 AM  
Unless im mistaken, it was alcohol that nearly (actually did) lose us the right to compete in australia at secondary school level for quite a few years....that was after Tasmainia 1996. And now look how successful our Juniors in NZ are because we have been allowed to participate in that competition. I was there with an 11 year old at the time and the amount of alcohol that was consumed was horrific. Training camps should be just are there to train. Do you need alcohol to enjoy another persons company 'after a hard day of training?' I DONT THINK SO.

Show Profile  Jamie Posted: 11 January 2009, 12:46 AM  
Hey Val,

I agree with you about Tasmania. I was a young impressionable junior at the time and it has done irrepairable damage to me.

However this is 13 years later, your boy is now 24 (ish), he is an adult and should have the right to have a beer whenever he feels like it. If he chooses not to at any given time thats up to him, thats great.

And back to Tasmania what sort of feedback was given to the coaches/managers, what was done to make sure such behaviour didn't become the norm, what was actually done to make participants "safer". Or did it take 13 years?

Trying to manage orienteers with rules is like trying to herd cats with spoons.

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