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Show Profile  Greg Posted: 21 September 2005, 7:17 AM  
It seems like there is a record attemp for number of postings in one day going on here so I thought I'd try and contribute. What has really got up your nose lately??

e.g There a 52 weekends in a year and only 12 listed major events in NZ (incluiding foot, mtb, rogaine and ski) plus a couple of other events that NZOF advertsie (eg Hot ROC's Rogaine) So why is there a need to hold 3 of them on the same weekend, surely if you are trying to increase overall participation numbers in each type you wouldn't have them clashing? (and you would try to advoid clashing with other sports that we could pull more participates from eg multisport events and mt bike races)

This message was edited by Greg on 21 September 2005, 2:19 PM

Show Profile  mark Posted: 21 September 2005, 8:55 AM  
It really fucks me off that Greg keeps DNFing and he still thinks he is the man.

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 21 September 2005, 8:59 AM  
At the risk of suppressing the record attempt with a logical answer...

A number of these mapsport variations are designed to appeal to other groups. In fact I'd go so far as to say that if all they did was "convert" existing orienteers then they would be counter-productive. We would have created more work for ourselves for little additional benefit. The strategic aim is to attract different people, and the MTBO/Rogaine seminar records (NZOF website under resources) gives evidence that they do that.

Rogaines are popular among the adventure racing fraternity, and hence they need to fit in with the endurance events calendar. MTBO is obviously designed to woo mountainbikers, and hence has to fit in with the MTB calendar. Ski-O is obviously designed to appeal to skiers, and in addition has to be held where and when there is snow. (How did Monday's Ski-O go PAPO?) So orienteering overlaps with a number of other groups, and some of these groups overlap with each other too.

Its much harder than it seems. DOC has been forced to run the MTBO Champs on the day before a MTB race nearby. After much consultation the 2006 Rogaine Champs were placed only to have the Karapoti MTB race change onto the same date.

If you are serious, you have to make some choices about what your speciality is.

Show Profile  nick Posted: 21 September 2005, 9:20 AM  
A lack of coaching systems. Unless you're in the D Squad or NOS, you're swinging in the breeze. Its up to you to read books, gather as many tid-bits as possible from superior orienteers, and learn from them as best you can. Of course, you can still improve in this manner (i feel as if i have), but I suspect there is probably a better way of upskilling a greater number of competitors, especially those of us who haven't been orienteering since we were kids.

Show Profile  Brenda Boghopper Posted: 21 September 2005, 11:23 AM  
People who don't read the post properly and go off on a hobby horse like Michael above...

Show Profile  Greg Posted: 21 September 2005, 11:45 AM  
yip

Show Profile  PaulS Posted: 21 September 2005, 1:22 PM  
Nice try Brenda, I know who you are...

Show Profile  Ellmo1769 Posted: 21 September 2005, 1:27 PM  
And back comes Wetfish from nowhere - talk about aliases.

Show Profile  PaulS Posted: 21 September 2005, 2:40 PM  
Arrogance by little chumps whose head keeps on growing by saying they're going to be the next WOC champ etc.

These same little chumps always beating me at O.

Show Profile  Wetfish3 Posted: 21 September 2005, 2:50 PM  
People who stir crap

Show Profile  Ellmo1769 Posted: 21 September 2005, 2:57 PM  
Yeah well thats what we have a big wooden spoon for - stirring. So did you take offense to people getting annoyed by certain juniors overating themselves when they aren't even the best in there age grade Wetfish 3?? These aliases people keep using really **** me off.

Show Profile  Jamie Posted: 21 September 2005, 3:55 PM  
The MTBO community, they grumpily pressure conventional orienteers to support their fetish then choose (and lobby for) a completly retarded date for their national champs, which are probably paid for by conventional orienteers...



Show Profile  Rob G Posted: 22 September 2005, 9:14 AM  
Jamie, your only moaning because it clashes with a multisport race, not because it clashes with the Wellington Champs. If we worried about every multisport, adventure race, running race and bike race that clashes, we would have no dates to orienteer on. We have a clash up here as well with the P6 adventure race and the CD Champs. We will choose what we prefer.

Show Profile  Brenda Boghopper Posted: 22 September 2005, 9:48 AM  
I make it 41 (21 Sep)

Show Profile  Jamie Posted: 22 September 2005, 10:23 AM  
No Rob.

It clashes in effect with two multisport races, the AMP City of Christchurch and the Southern Traverse. Effectively removing from the event many of the local (and north island...Stu?? Phil??) elite orienteers and/or adventure racers who may have competed with the 3-4 designated MTBO specialists.

It also effectively clashes with probably Dunedins biggest MTB race "The Coastal Classic" thereby removing them from the participant list and negating any attempt to grow the sport in the region.

So as admitted by one of the MTBO hardcore who I spoke to last night, the event will be small. From a personal level I hope it is good as I may yet go down and have a crack. Unfortunately top 5 may be a possibility.

There are clashes every weekend, just some are wiser than others


Show Profile  HeadHoncho Posted: 22 September 2005, 2:35 PM  
Greg, as you have confirmed you are shiz stirring, I feel I can reply as follows:

Given you seem to have trouble finishing one event, you are the last person to complain when three events are scheduled on one day :-)

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