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Show Profile  darren Posted: 15 November 2002, 9:56 PM  
Neil, there are two possible reasons why the 105 winning time was seldom reached in the Super Series 1) the athletes were so damn good they smashed the EWT by close to 20mins or 2) the course planners failed to do there job properly by not correctly following the NZOF guidelines.

Jamie, surely the last 20 does the damage only if you are not prepared or are running the wrong grade. Back in the old days Rix, Brighouse, Garden, Melrose, Ireland and then Landels and Jessop would gobble up next years Anzac carnival and be looking for more!!!

Rather than your 85,30,80 suggestion for a multiday, why not a 105 a 30 then a 60 massed start on day 3 preferably with a sprint thrown in on day 2.


Show Profile  Greg Posted: 16 November 2002, 7:09 PM  
Thats bullshit Darren bugger all of my races this year overseas were Full length Classic races. Most of them were shorter and for a classic race there was always less people there. The only times I ran a full length classic was JWOC, and the WC Long loop race in Switzerland (plus there might have been 2 more if I had done all of the WC's). All the rest were shorter and all were just about involved in multiday events, showing that even for the top races in the world they don't want the top competors stuffed for the next few days. Thats because as you said Darren you shouldn't be running slower in a classic but too keep up top speed for 105 mins no matter how fit you are will tirer you out for a multiday event and lessen the quilty of the races. And to quote the winner of the Wellington Champs last year "For a 105 min winning time you have to pace yourself carefully" How can you race at full speed when you need to pace yourself.

Maybe if you had ran some (more than 1 day) of the latest Area champs races you would realise what the rest of us are voicing, we would rather be able to race full on for the whole event rather than pacing or being to buggered to achive this.

Rob C why don't you put out your cigarette and got off your fat ass

Show Profile  HeadHoncho Posted: 17 November 2002, 5:54 AM  
And what was the main reason you went overseas for Greg???

JWOC????

And what were the most important races you did??? JWOC??? World Cups???

While you have the potential to do very well in orienteering Greg, until you have actually achieved something perhaps you should respect the opinions of people who have been there and done that - like Darren and yes, despite my current state, even myself.

Show Profile  HeadHoncho Posted: 17 November 2002, 6:39 AM  
Actually Greg the more I think about what you wrote the more stupid I think you are.

How many classic races in NZ do you run a year??? Bugger all. Count up all the park races in the summer, OYs etc and you'll find the classic races don't make up the majority of your races here either - just like overseas. But the classic races remain important - just like they are overseas when you get to JWOC, WOC or Australia.

To clarify, this problem has been caused by two things:

1. The scheduling of a provincial championship on a long weekend (Labour Weekend) which means the organisers feel obliged to chuck in an extra race, which has consequences for the elites, and

2. The Squad nominating the Canterbury Champs as a Super Series event which meant 3 weekends in a row of classic races.

The long-term calendar shows provincial championships are scheduled a fortnight apart, so if the Squad chooses their Super Series races carefully, 2 can be avoided in future. As regards to 1, I agree that organisers should be mindful of the demands they place on runners on Course 1during long weekends - but then again there is always the option of running down a grade if your fitness levels aren't what they should be.


Show Profile  darren Posted: 17 November 2002, 8:46 AM  
Greg, you seem to have missed the point again. I often wonder if you actually read the forum postings or just get on and type something you are thinking at the time. I'm not suggesting a 105min race every event, just as Rob and Jamie have suggested, at the Area Champs and Nationals. That's about half a dozen races a year, surely even your little, inexperienced elite body can handle that. If you are well trained you will have no trouble recovering from a Saturday classic race and be ready to fight again on Sunday. Remember its the same for everyone.
Happy training and no excuses!

Show Profile  addison Posted: 17 November 2002, 12:42 PM  
3 Sinbins. I hate Australians.

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 19 November 2002, 1:41 PM  
I wouldn't think it would be normal to go from king or queen of the 20's to a competitive placing in M/W21E. It's something that may happen with exceptional athletes but not the norm.

Again, in spite of Luder etc, I would think that athletes should be starting to choose those races they want to specialise in. You could have a policy of preparing for the middle distance or the relay or the shorter world cup classics while you are in your early 20s and going for full-length classic later. Then you might run M/W21A or AS in New Zealand races. Or what about the sprint, is anyone seriously preparing for the sprint distance? You might have to run M70 unofficially.

The comments about what you want in a super-series are interesting. But I'll now transfer to that thread so we can keep the Superseries comments together.

Michael Wood

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