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What software does your club use for mapping?

Show Profile  Rolf Posted: 19 March 2017, 4:36 PM  
I am interested to know what clubs are using for mapping software and how you manage this within the club.

Do you purchase a few (how many?) OCAD licenses and only give this to the mapping enthusiasts?

What do you do when someone else wants to have a go at mapping? Do you tell them to bugger off? Or do you skillfully manage licenses all over town?

If you are still using OCAD, they why havn't you moved to Open Orienteering Mapper? Its free and there are no license issues?

Show Profile  pete s Posted: 24 March 2017, 9:19 AM  
am also keen to know how other clubs are managing this. Our club is still using OCAD 9, but with OCAD no longer supporting this (cant save into version 9 from 12), then we have a major decision to make about map software. At over $800 a pop for each single licence user that is a big investment for clubs with 5 plus regular OCAD users. V keen to know what other clubs are doing...cheers


Show Profile  comatose Posted: 24 March 2017, 6:11 PM  
Hey Pete, you can save version 9 from 12, but not any earlier. So this is likely to disappear with the next release too I suspect. For less complex mapping there is the Starter option ~$250, and the course-setting only option ~$70 if you buy bulk copies. But still pretty expensive to buy for part-time use.

AOC relies on 9 for club course setting projects, but most people who want to actually make or modify maps have private copies of 11 or 12. I found Starter too limiting for even modifications of large forest maps.

I agree the licensing is making OCAD less attractive for club purposes, and I'm keen to explore other options like OOM too, especially to get Juniors involved in the process too.

Show Profile  Paul I Posted: 24 March 2017, 8:18 PM  
My suggestion would be for the club to own one ocad for the mapping and map updating, and then for course setting use the free to download and user friendly purple pen for course setting. Controllers and planners using ppen can easily share their course ideas via email.
Once you have a 'map file'(ocad or OOM) you import for the ppen course setting. The map file can be updated and changed as you work and you just open the newer updated map file. Very easy. All control description creating and placing is simple as is the creation of final pdf's for printing etc etc.
The course setting experience using Purple pen is a very visual experience compared to ocad CS.
Give it a try!

Show Profile  comatose Posted: 24 March 2017, 11:33 PM  
Yes, PP is great for course setting. But it's not a solution for encouraging mapping within the club. For clubs to build technical capability and encourage members to give mapping a go, what is the best solution?
I've found OCAD 12 great, but it's expensive and with "single user" licenses, it is difficult for clubs to distribute copies around multiple users. The Starter version is pretty limiting.
However, maps are integral to our sport, and good mapping software is as important as other technical gear. I found mapping in 12 is a much better experience than in 9, and it would be great for this software to be more widely available to club members who would like to have a go at mapping, without them having to outlay $$$ personally.
This affects every club in the country, so maybe it's a topic to discuss at the national level. Would there be merit in looking at coordinating a large multi-club order to try to negotiate a bulk discount?

Show Profile  Michael Posted: 25 March 2017, 12:20 PM  
Last year the Mapping Committee urged that mapping discussion transfer to the Mapping Wiki http://wiki.orienteering.org.nz/doku.php?id=mapping:mapping

I've copied these contributions there. They are in "Mapping Policies" not under "OCAD". I've also started up a new thread on a related topic.



This message was edited by Michael on 25 March 2017, 12:37 PM

Show Profile  Svend Posted: 25 March 2017, 2:49 PM  
A few years ago SOC bought two OCAD 11 licenses and we would be happy to buy any number of new OCAD 12 licenses if only we could get someone to use them. An OCAD 12 license is less than $ NZ 1000.00, a small amount compared with the total cost of a new map. I have started to teach 2 club members how to map but it is a slow process as the people concerned have a full-time job. Our members who retire always move to another part of the country rather than making themselves useful to the club.
Our course planners use PP and I can endorse everything Paul Ireland says on the subject.

Show Profile  Rolf Posted: 28 May 2017, 9:45 PM  
Reckon Waikato is going to move to Open Orienteer as much as possible

No-one can give me a good reason not to.

Hopefully NZ mappers will adapt.

Hey Pete.s.... lets start a central nth island mapping revolution.

Show Profile  pete s Posted: 29 May 2017, 9:41 AM  
Hi Rolf - OBOP ended up, after some amount of investigation and research, going with an OCAD 12 licence which gives us the ability to do more major map updates and changes etc (and is way better than OCAD9). We still save back to OCAD 9 which is the version our club members can access maps with. It was a no brainer and money well spent, and gives us the ability to control our map versions back to a version we have common access to. Waiting for a later version of OCAD to come out could be a mistake given its likely this wont support saving back to 9.

I talked to a number of experienced mappers on this (Selwyn, Brian, Paul etc) and the consensus seems to be that open source mapping software still lags OCAD and whilst it may be adequate, it isn't the best option.

We use purple pen for setting which we love and recommend.

Whilst OCAD 12 licences aren't cheap, having a single licence offers a lot of value, and when you think that maps are a clubs greatest asset then its money well spent in my mind.

The other side of this is to value the time of our volunteers - the amount of time I have wasted struggling with difficult software over the years is significant - in the short time I have used OCAD 12 I have found it much more user friendly, and if this saves me hours of work then its money well spent in my mind.

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